Anyway i've been thinking about the Malky combat deck and talking about it with Rob Treasure and i think there is a better and simpler version, based on protean aggravated damage. Crypt: 4 Greger Anderssen Normal Brazil Watenda Dollface Ohanna Aleph Roland Bishop Didi Meyers Masters [18]: 5 Madness Network 6 Rotshreck 2 Direct Intervention 5 Protean Actions [18]: 11 x Bum's Rush 4 x 3rd tradition: Progeny 3 x GtU [either that or Sacrificial Lamb or Graverobbing] Combat [40]: 12 x Flesh of Marble 12 x Claws of the Dead 6 x Form of the Ghost 5 x Amaranth 5 x Ritual of the Bitter Rose Votes [10]: Anathema x 3 Malkavian Justicar x 2 Consanguineous Boon x 3 Archon x 2 Reactions [4]: 2nd Tradition: Domain x 4 Maybe there ought to be a space for Ivory Bow in here, just one of them. Possibly replacing one of the Archons. And if i build this deck in real space i will have to replace most of the Flesh of Marbles with Leather jackets and blood Tears cos i only have 4.I'm not sure about the Amaranth/Ritual combo though, and that's the reason for this post. Can i use Amaranth to diablerise a vampire that is going to torpor due to Rotschreck? We [James Coupe, William Lee and I] talked about this on the IoW and were really unsure, though our feeling was probably not -once strike combat ends has occurred, you can't do anything else [so if we're right Catatonic fear at superior on a vamp with no blood could not be followed by Amaranth, for example]. If not [ruling, LSJ?], the Amaranth cards would go out and be replaced by +stealth action modifiers to cover the diablerie - also useful for voting and equipping so you could use Forgotten Labyrinth.